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 | Posted On: Mar 08 2009 At: 10:13:02 PM |
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Ok, so we have been really busy and no one has started a thread for this boy and his friend Mighty Mouse so here goes. We hope to get pics this week.
Roger Rabbit is a recent arrival. He came in quite thin but has put on some weight already. He is 15.3 and a liver chestnut. Roger likes people and is always the first to come up to you in the pasture. He is very cute but very nervous.
He fidgets a bit on the cross ties but has been getting better as he becomes more relaxed here. Roger is a little tricky to mount as standing still is really not his thing but I think with work he will improve. Once you are up though, you are in for a fun ride! He is upheaded and has a comfy bounce to his step at the trot. He has a nice collected canter and knows a cue.
This boy just needs miles and understanding. He is very kind and wants to please. Although he is nervous he seems to calm down when he is being ridden. I like this horse quite a bit. He needs someone to give him a chance.
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| Posted On: Mar 09 2009 At: 4:38:39 PM | | | Reply Link |
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He sounds darlin!!! Can't wait for pics!!!! Thank you Anne!!!
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| Posted On: Mar 11 2009 At: 3:37:05 PM | | | Reply Link |
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| Posted On: Mar 11 2009 At: 4:34:07 PM | | | Reply Link |
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Boy he is cute!
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| Posted On: Mar 11 2009 At: 4:40:09 PM | | | Reply Link |
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Roger has been to Saddlebred School!!!! He is sportin'!!!! Anne, you look like you're having a blast!!! And a five-speed overdrive in the last pic!!! LOOK-A-HERE!!! He looks like really remembers his stuff on the reverse and is proud of it, too!!!!
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[ Edited by: canter on Mar 11 2009 4:43:30 PM ] |
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| Posted On: Mar 11 2009 At: 5:24:07 PM | | | Reply Link |
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Wow! Both this guy and the Mighty Mouse are great saves!
Jeanie
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| Posted On: Mar 11 2009 At: 8:29:29 PM | | | Reply Link |
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What a cutie! He looks like he's loving life at SBR :) Good job guys!
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Amanda
"A little consideration, a little thought for others, makes all the difference." - Winnie the Pooh
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| Posted On: Mar 12 2009 At: 08:16:25 AM | | | Reply Link |
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Wow...he is talented! Love everything from the headset to his motion...thinking this one went to Saddlebred school!
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| Posted On: Mar 16 2009 At: 11:45:00 PM | | | Reply Link |
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Wow, look at him pick up those legs! What a fun looking horse!
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| Posted On: Mar 17 2009 At: 08:49:19 AM | | | Reply Link |
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Can we see some markings shots or could you tell me what it looks like as far as markings? Age? Thanks!
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| Posted On: Mar 17 2009 At: 4:30:17 PM | | | Reply Link |
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both hind stockings, right front sock,large star.small snip. Not sure of age, 12ish?
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| Posted On: Apr 01 2009 At: 08:51:43 AM | | | Reply Link |
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Deleted the hijacked thread and post and moved it to Other Stuff under Saddlebred School graduates
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[ Edited by: Travhest on Apr 02 2009 06:21:27 AM ] |
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| Posted On: Apr 01 2009 At: 10:24:08 AM | | | Reply Link |
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Wow, there is a lot to answer, and I'm certainly not an expert, but as someone who has ridden some of these rescues, I can tell you a tiny bit. If they have been to Saddlebred school, most likely they have been broke to saddle in the past, know cues, and can stay on the rail. As you ride them, you can tell if they are remembering these things, especially for cantering, since the Amish only trot them on the roads. If they know the canter cue, that's a huge sign they've been trained. Also, some non-schooled rescues have no idea what the rail is, so they kind of wander around the ring and require a lot of steering. If they stay on the rail without much guidance, that's another sign.
As far as the ears go, you want them forward. That means they are attentive and interested in what's going on. A horse whose ears are just "there" is kind of just going along with things, not really caring about their job as much. And pinned back...look out!
I know there are more people here who can better address your questions and can do it more thoroughly. But it's a quiet day at work :)
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| Posted On: Apr 01 2009 At: 3:20:58 PM | | | Reply Link |
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Those are good questions, Jennifer, and let's see if I can shed a little more 'light' on the subject. As you probably know, most hunt seat or dressage horses have what is called a 'diagonal' signal for the canter, outside/railside rider leg and a tiny twitch of the inside rein. Horses whose early training aka 'Saddlebred school' was done with the hope they would be saddle seat discipline show horses use the traditional saddle seat canter cue of tipping the horse's head slightly to the rail with outside rein, followed by the rider's outside/railside leg nudging. So, a lot of the time part of knowing if they were started under saddle by a trainer that specializes in the saddle seat show horses (from which many sadly are discarded if not fancy/high stepping enough) is whether they know that canter cue.
As the previous message mentioned too, a lot of it is whether they have any clue that their job is to march along the rail, not wander all over like a noodle. Ears up is indeed a desirable trait in these horses. That bright and alert expression is very much prized in a saddle seat type show horse. For those of us who have been blessed to ride some really high-headed examples of this breed (who are not necessarily hollow in the back, a lot of it has to do with the angle at which the head comes out of the shoulder), being able to have your view of the road/arena ahead that is framed by those perky ears is just a fun thing.
Jeanie
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| Posted On: Apr 01 2009 At: 3:41:10 PM | | | Reply Link |
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Thank you, very much, Jeanie and Avy...it is good to understand and learn more about these fine horses. There is a lot of ignorance about them abroad in the world, and I would count myself among those who drew faulty conclusions on the basis of incomplete or limited information.
Can a show horse reject be successfully reschooled to go a little lower and rounder, and to step out more as opposed to up?
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| Posted On: Apr 01 2009 At: 4:59:00 PM | | | Reply Link |
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Of course they can! Saddlebreds are smart people pleasing horses and if approached properly are eager to do whatever job you want them too. Having been trained for a specific purpose does not eliminate the possibility that the horse could be re schooled for another job. Most of our treasures have been Amish buggy horses for the majority of their life yet they are now preforming successfully as lesson horses,pleasure horses,show horses,academy horses,trail horses, dressage horses,civil war re-enactment horses,carriage driving horses etc etc.
Those that have "been to Saddlebred School" are a little easier because they remember their basic saddle training. That gives us something to draw from but is applicable to all riding styles not just Saddle Seat.
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| Posted On: Apr 01 2009 At: 7:49:33 PM | | | Reply Link |
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As a teen I was very lucky to buy an old ex-park Morgan. She was sour in the show arena so I found something new for her to do and that was the start of my dressage career.
This mare was excited (I think almost relieved) to learn how to do long and low and when she finally figured out that we wanted her to reach forward while working she became a different horse. That tense, wanting to show all of the time horse just melted away.
I do have to say that having the right open minded and creative dressage coach certainly helps. When we first started taking lessons my dressage coach kept commenting on how my mare moved like a sewing machine in front. She developed some lesson plans that were set up to get the mare to reach forward. Once Vicki understood what we wanted from her there was no looking back. In a little over a year she went from fire breathing freight train to big moving explosively forward dressage horse! The fun part about these saddleseat horses is that they usually have that easy forward gear and once you have focused that energy in the right direction they can do anything.
I cannot suggest enough that saddleseat horses can have a great career in the sport horse world if given the chance. You just have to change your training methods from spending all of your time driving the horse forward (like with most warmbloods) to learning how to focus the forward energy that the saddleseat horse already has there for you....
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| Posted On: Apr 01 2009 At: 10:14:44 PM | | | Reply Link |
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Melissa, I loved your explanation about finding a new purpose for a show ring sour horse(pertains to any breed).
Travhest, not all the rescues are show ring rejects, as we have stated many times, they have fallen through the cracks due to a divorce(Timone, aka Bodie), a death in the family, the current owner thought they had a forever home(lots of those, Smooth Air, Highland Miranda, and many more.
Most saddlebred show horses do not hollow their backs, that's the illusion you get because of how much more neck a saddlebred has, and how much higher the neck is set on the shoulders. I'm not going to hi jack this thread any more, it should be just about Roger.
I'll try to start another thread else where.
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| Posted On: Apr 02 2009 At: 12:23:05 AM | | | Reply Link |
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On the "Can a show horse reject be successfully reschooled to go a little lower and rounder, and to step out more as opposed to up?" - the answer is yes absolutely. In fact horses that have been successful in saddle seat can even do this (I personally know of a horse that has done it) and many that have bloodlines just like the top saddle seat horses, if trained in dressage from the beginning like Harry Callahan, excel even more quickly for not having to unlearn anything.
Jeanie
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| Posted On: Apr 02 2009 At: 04:12:41 AM | | | Reply Link |
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Sorry Roger, and sorry folks for asking non-related questions in Roger's thread. Ideas, observations and questions just come by storm when they come....usually sparked off by looking at a horse and his thread, and then wondering. I'll try to find a better place to ask the questions....check the other options in the forum.
Before we stop this discussion in Roger's thread, just want to thank the forum for some informative and educational responses. For somebody coming from outside the ASB world, and contemplating the adoption of a Saddlebred horse, which very likely will have had some form of saddle seat/show training in its past as well as the new learned behaviour from having been a harness horse for the Amish, it is necessary to ask these questions, even though they may seem obvious, or worse yet, insulting to those on the inside who already know these things. Please know this: the questions are not asked to be critical; I ask because I AM an outsider, and saddle seat and showing is a whole another world to me --- I simply don't know. That world is very, very different to the horse parameters I grew up in....a whole different mind set, whole different set of criteria in what one looks for in a horse and the way one wants them to move and go.
(I deleted the rest and moved it over to Other Stuff.)
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[ Edited by: Travhest on Apr 02 2009 06:15:22 AM ] |
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| Posted On: Apr 02 2009 At: 05:40:10 AM | | | Reply Link |
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Why don't you start a new topic for your thoughts under Other Stuff:
you could post your questions there when they occur and they would be under one heading rather than scattered about. The responses would be collected in a nice package too. just an early morning thought.
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[ Edited by: deborah on Apr 02 2009 06:23:32 AM ] |
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